Subject: Re: yellowdog-general Digest 3 Nov 2001 08:20:44 -0000 Issue 567
From: Ted Branscomb (tbranscomb@mosquitonet.com)
Date: Sun Nov 04 2001 - 03:26:37 MST
On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 11:20 PM, yellowdog-general-digest-
help@lists.yellowdoglinux.com wrote:
>
> yellowdog-general Digest 3 Nov 2001 08:20:44 -0000 Issue 567
>
> Topics (messages 15499 through 15528):
>
> Connect but don't surf ?
> 15499 by: Patrick Callahan <pac1@tiac.net>
> 15500 by: the WebDude <wd@thewebdude.org>
>
> YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> 15501 by: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> 15505 by: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
> 15507 by: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> 15508 by: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> 15510 by: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> 15511 by: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> 15512 by: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
>
> More info on the iBook booting problems
> 15502 by: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
>
> How to get off the list?
> 15503 by: Lucas Junqueira <lucas_junqueira@yahoo.com>
> 15504 by: ůő® ˙ ő®ů <thruzero@home.com>
>
> X server screen resolution
> 15506 by: John Norair <jnorair@Princeton.EDU>
> 15509 by: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
>
> CD/DVD-ROM Drive
> 15513 by: Mark Brethen <marbre@dhcp-159-66>
>
> What's with the ISO?
> 15514 by: Ronald Hale-Evans <rwhe@ludism.org>
> 15516 by: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>
> 15517 by: Ronald Hale-Evans <rwhe@ludism.org>
>
> Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> 15515 by: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> 15518 by: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> 15519 by: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> 15520 by: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> 15522 by: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> 15524 by: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> 15526 by: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
>
> wallstreet/lombard question
> 15521 by: Greg van der Gaast <frame17@mac.com>
> 15523 by: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> 15527 by: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> 15528 by: dano <dano@well.com>
>
> yellowdog-general Digest 29 Oct 2001 20:49:43 -0000 Issue 562
> 15525 by: antonius heinrich <antonius.heinrich@netsurf.de>
>
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> From: Patrick Callahan <pac1@tiac.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 04:37:39 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: Connect but don't surf ?
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> There has to be a better way than this, but this does work:
>
> You have to get rid of the default route eth0.
>
> I do this every time I log in by running ./fixkppp as root.
>
> The following will create fixkppp in your login directory
>
> cat >fixkppp <<EOD
> #!/bin/sh
> /sbin/route del default
> if [ -e ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid ]
> then
> rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid
> fi
> kppp&
> EOD
> chmod +x fixkppp
>
> To run it start a shell window and su to root.
> then run
> ./fixkppp
>
> the default route will be gone,
> the kde lock file will be gone
> kppp will start
>
> Now who has a better way?
>
> -Pat
> From: the WebDude <wd@thewebdude.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:45:21 AM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Connect but don't surf ?
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Try this :
> goto /etc/rc.local or /etc/rc.d/rc.local (whichever you have), and add
> the
> line:
> /sbin/route del default
>
> For more PPP set-up goto:
> www.theory.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
>
>> From: Patrick Callahan <pac1@tiac.net>
>> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:37:39 -0500
>> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>> Subject: Re: Connect but don't surf ?
>>
>> There has to be a better way than this, but this does work:
>>
>> You have to get rid of the default route eth0.
>>
>> I do this every time I log in by running ./fixkppp as root.
>>
>> The following will create fixkppp in your login directory
>>
>> cat >fixkppp <<EOD
>> #!/bin/sh
>> /sbin/route del default
>> if [ -e ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid ]
>> then
>> rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid
>> fi
>> kppp&
>> EOD
>> chmod +x fixkppp
>>
>> To run it start a shell window and su to root.
>> then run
>> ./fixkppp
>>
>> the default route will be gone,
>> the kde lock file will be gone
>> kppp will start
>>
>> Now who has a better way?
>>
>> -Pat
>
> From: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:15:40 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Ok, you probably all know the joy I have been having with ppc linux
> distros from my last e-mails :) Well, I downloaded YDL 2.1 from the
> ibiblio mirror and checked its MD5. Everything looks good. Burned the
> cd with the following command on RedHat x86 Linux 'cdrecord -v dev=4,0
> speed=4 fuji-whatever.iso'. Things look good. Hold down 'c' and it
> starts to boot of cd and dumps me into OpenFirmware with a message
> about catch failed. I did notice that the CD will mount under mac os x
> as an hfs partition, but when I go into the /YellowDog/ppc directory
> there is nothing there?
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Can anyone confirm that burning an iso on x86 Linux with cdrecord
> works fine for bootable cds?
> 2) If #1 is true, then are there any other command options I am missing?
> 3) What to try next?
>
> From: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:41:51 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Bill Vinson wrote:
>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) Can anyone confirm that burning an iso on x86 Linux with cdrecord
>> works fine for bootable cds?
>
> Never burnt a cd in linux, but I looked at the cdrecord command you
> posted
> and it seemed iffy (well, nit iffy, jsut simple.. nothing is that easy..
> :). I think you need to pass the image size to cdrecord, take a look
> at:
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
>
>> 2) If #1 is true, then are there any other command options I am
>> missing?
>
> See above
>
>> 3) What to try next?
>
> Well, I know I'm going to sound like a heritic, but umm.. the only cd
> burners that I have access to are in win2k machines at work, which
> have Roxio EZ CD Creator. Just File->Make cd from image and select
> image
> and 10 minutes later I have a cd... It's actually easier that Toast.
>
> if you're running RedHat, you may want to check out xcdroast, a GTK
> Front
> end to cdrecord, perhaps it'll catch something you're missing.
>
> -n
> --
> ......
> nathan hruby - nhruby@arches.uga.edu
> computer support specialist
> department of drama and theatre
> http://www.drama.uga.edu/
> ......
>
>
> From: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:56:33 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Bill Vinson's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>
>> catch failed. I did notice that the CD will mount under mac os x as an
>> hfs partition, but when I go into the /YellowDog/ppc directory there is
>> nothing there?
>
> This is a bad sign. The contents of YellowDog/ppc should be
> visible when viewed using OS X.
>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) Can anyone confirm that burning an iso on x86 Linux with cdrecord
>> works fine for bootable cds?
>
> Yes. I have done this a number of times.
>
>> 2) If #1 is true, then are there any other command options I am
>> missing?
>
> I use
>
> cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image_name
>
>> 3) What to try next?
>
> Are you carefully reading the output of cdrecord to make sure no
> errors are reported? Have you tried slowing things down a bit by
> using 'speed=2' ? You aren't trying to do any other work on the
> machine while it is burning the CD, are you?
>
>
> Jim
>
> From: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 06:08:47 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Thanks for the reply. Glad to see it is working for someone else. I
> didn't think using -data is necessary as according to the cdrecord man
> page it is the default. Oh well, I will try slowing it down. I
> usually brose the web while burning as I have a scsi cd-r and anything
> short of heavy i/o doesn't make this guy so much a stutter or at least
> that is my experience when burning x86 cds. I will try your command
> line with my dev stuff and see what happens.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 09:56 PM, Jim Cole wrote:
>
>> Bill Vinson's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>>
>>> catch failed. I did notice that the CD will mount under mac os x as
>>> an
>>> hfs partition, but when I go into the /YellowDog/ppc directory there
>>> is
>>> nothing there?
>>
>> This is a bad sign. The contents of YellowDog/ppc should be
>> visible when viewed using OS X.
>>
>>> Questions:
>>>
>>> 1) Can anyone confirm that burning an iso on x86 Linux with cdrecord
>>> works fine for bootable cds?
>>
>> Yes. I have done this a number of times.
>>
>>> 2) If #1 is true, then are there any other command options I am
>>> missing?
>>
>> I use
>>
>> cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image_name
>>
>>> 3) What to try next?
>>
>> Are you carefully reading the output of cdrecord to make sure no
>> errors are reported? Have you tried slowing things down a bit by
>> using 'speed=2' ? You aren't trying to do any other work on the
>> machine while it is burning the CD, are you?
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> From: Bill Vinson <billvinson@mac.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 06:56:31 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Well, tried a second cd-r with a slower speed and the -data flag. This
> one won't mount on OS X or even try to boot. I have no idea what is
> going on here, but it is driving me nuts. I haven't seen any docs, but
> can I set up my tftp boot server to pass yaboot over to the iBook for a
> netboot and install YDL over the network?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 10:08 PM, Bill Vinson wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply. Glad to see it is working for someone else. I
>> didn't think using -data is necessary as according to the cdrecord man
>> page it is the default. Oh well, I will try slowing it down. I
>> usually brose the web while burning as I have a scsi cd-r and anything
>> short of heavy i/o doesn't make this guy so much a stutter or at least
>> that is my experience when burning x86 cds. I will try your command
>> line with my dev stuff and see what happens.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>> On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 09:56 PM, Jim Cole wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Vinson's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>>>
>>>> catch failed. I did notice that the CD will mount under mac os x as
>>>> an
>>>> hfs partition, but when I go into the /YellowDog/ppc directory there
>>>> is
>>>> nothing there?
>>>
>>> This is a bad sign. The contents of YellowDog/ppc should be
>>> visible when viewed using OS X.
>>>
>>>> Questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Can anyone confirm that burning an iso on x86 Linux with cdrecord
>>>> works fine for bootable cds?
>>>
>>> Yes. I have done this a number of times.
>>>
>>>> 2) If #1 is true, then are there any other command options I am
>>>> missing?
>>>
>>> I use
>>>
>>> cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image_name
>>>
>>>> 3) What to try next?
>>>
>>> Are you carefully reading the output of cdrecord to make sure no
>>> errors are reported? Have you tried slowing things down a bit by
>>> using 'speed=2' ? You aren't trying to do any other work on the
>>> machine while it is burning the CD, are you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>
> From: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:20:37 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Bill Vinson's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>
>> Well, tried a second cd-r with a slower speed and the -data flag. This
>> one won't mount on OS X or even try to boot. I have no idea what is
>> going on here, but it is driving me nuts. I haven't seen any docs, but
>
> If I had to guess, I would say you are either having hardware
> problems or lucked into a batch of bad disks. Your cdrecord
> command line looks fine (with or without the -data) and your
> downloaded image checked out. If you have a second batch of
> disks, or can borrow one from someone else, I would give that a
> try. You might also want to check cables and make sure nothing is
> loose, poorly seated, etc.
>
> Just a few days ago, I did almost exactly what you are trying to
> do. I burned a bootable copy of YDL 2.0 on an x86 Linux system
> with a SCSI CD-R using cdrecord.
>
>> can I set up my tftp boot server to pass yaboot over to the iBook for a
>> netboot and install YDL over the network?
>
> Sorry. No clue on this one.
>
>
> Jim
>
> From: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:50:37 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: YDL 2.1 will not boot on my iBook Dual USB (ISO Questions)
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jim Cole wrote:
>
>>> can I set up my tftp boot server to pass yaboot over to the iBook
>>> for a
>>> netboot and install YDL over the network?
>>
>
> Don't think so, MacOS's netboot stuff is different enough that you need
> to
> run a special apple bootp server (the one that comes with osx-server) to
> make it work. I don not belive the changes are open, though a weekend
> with packet sniffer could probably tell you what you need to know.
>
> This I know becuase I tried to do it :) There's info in the Apple kbase
> about it, my os9 drive at work died this week, so the bookmark is, umm..
> gone :)
>
> Does the 2.1 installer support hard drive installs? If so you could,
> try
> booting from any CD that's bootable (ydl-2 recuse, 1.2) and format a
> partition to put the contents on via a local network (ie: mount .iso
> with loop device on x86 box and move contents over to iBook using
> network)
>
> Yes, I know that's a hack, and an inelegant one at that, but sometimes
> you just need to get your hands dirty...
>
> -n
> --
> ......
> nathan hruby - nhruby@arches.uga.edu
> computer support specialist
> department of drama and theatre
> http://www.drama.uga.edu/
> ......
>
>
> From: "nathan r. hruby" <nhruby@arches.uga.edu>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:17:19 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: More info on the iBook booting problems
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Bill Vinson wrote:
>
>> Ok, I had checked the md5 on my iso and it didn't match what was on the
>> server, but I had downloaded two copies of the iso with identical
>> incorrect MD5 values. Now, I don't know whether they have a bad copy
>> up
>> or what, but their iso of fuji is only 17MB which I know is wrong :) I
>> am downloading 2.1 iso off of ibiblio's mirror now and will check it's
>> md5 and burn it. It seems to be getting a I/O when trying to mount or
>> umount the disk. We shall soon see if the new one works better :)
>>
>> 'c' on boot should cause the cd to boot though, right?
>>
>
> Yes, holding the 'c' key at boot will cause it to boot from the cd-rom.
> Also, just for fun, try holding the Option key. You should get a pretty
> screen with icons of all your boot devices that you can click on and
> then
> boot from.
>
> It's a crap load better than pressing F2 to enter BIOS setuup :)
>
> -n.. wondering if crap load is one word, two words, or jsut hyphenated.
>
>
> --
> ......
> nathan hruby - nhruby@arches.uga.edu
> computer support specialist
> department of drama and theatre
> http://www.drama.uga.edu/
> ......
>
>
> From: Lucas Junqueira <lucas_junqueira@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:23:06 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
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> From: John Norair <jnorair@Princeton.EDU>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 05:50:41 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: X server screen resolution
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> This is just one of the many reasons why I am very close to completely
> removing Linux from my mac. It seems that Linux was only meant to be
> run on a very plain-and-simple x86 unless you want to spend hours of
> pain and misery trying to get it to work with only half-assed
> documentation to guide you.
>
> If you use Xconfigurator, you should set the resolution options to be
> only 1024x768. In my case, there's a little bit of overlap/scrolling,
> but it's better than before. When I try to use the specific setting
> for my actual monitor model, it doesn't work at all (out of scan range).
>
> Despite the fact that "I can," it's annoying as hell to get Xserver
> setup correctly. I wrote my own modeline to remove the scrolling
> effect, but then it stopped working after I built a new kernel. Now my
> Xserver doesn't work at all.
>
> The bottom line is that, if you have decent hacking/programming skill,
> you could replace Aqua with XFree in OS X with less aggravation and
> wasted weekends than it will take you to get Linux fully functional.
> And in the end you'll have a more robust OS that works 1000 times
> better on powermacs.
>
> Very sorry for the rant, but it was a long time coming.
>
> Good Luck,
> John Norair
>
>
>
>> I have a newly installed YDL 2.1 on Old World G3/266, Apple Multiple
>> Scan 17" monitor.
>>
>> Upon login, the desktop appear to be a "virtual" 1024x768 on a 800x600
>> screen. Moving the mouse off the edges of the monitor scrolls the
>> desktop.
>>
>> I assume that there is a method of getting a true 1024x768 that the
>> monitor supports. Any help/pointers would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> From: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 06:52:08 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: X server screen resolution
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> John Norair's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>
>> This is just one of the many reasons why I am very close to completely
>> removing Linux from my mac. It seems that Linux was only meant to be
>> run on a very plain-and-simple x86 unless you want to spend hours of
>> pain and misery trying to get it to work with only half-assed
>> documentation to guide you.
>
> As a general statement, this is nonsense. I have three different
> Macs running YDL 2.0, and the combined install/configure time for
> all three is maybe two hours. Most of that time was spent waiting
> for packages to be copied.
>
> I also disagree with your opinion of Linux documentation.
> Granted, Linux documentation is definitely not as user-friendly
> and convenient as some other types; but in terms of detail and
> completeness, it is outstanding. Yes, you do occasionally have
> to sift through some half-assed bits, however the same can be
> said for most types of documentation.
>
>> The bottom line is that, if you have decent hacking/programming skill,
>> you could replace Aqua with XFree in OS X with less aggravation and
>> wasted weekends than it will take you to get Linux fully functional.
>> And in the end you'll have a more robust OS that works 1000 times
>> better
>> on powermacs.
>
> Again, this is nonsense as a general statement. I have managed
> maybe four or five hours of non-trivial work under OS X (10.1),
> which has resulted in the system twice becoming so hosed that I
> had to restart the machine. Which is better is entirely dependent
> on the user's needs; for *my* typical needs, there is no doubt
> that Linux is far superior (and far more robust). If OS X is
> more suited to your needs, then by all means use it instead of
> Linux.
>
>> Very sorry for the rant, but it was a long time coming.
>
> Sorry you have found your experience with PPC Linux so
> frustrating. But I doubt that your experiences are the norm. I
> doubt equally that mine are the norm. But I feel it is unfair
> for you to imply that anyone planning to use PPC Linux is in for
> "hours of pain and misery" with nothing more than "half-assed
> documentation" as a guide. All to have an operating system that
> is a "1000 times" worse that OS X.
>
>
> Jim
>
> From: Mark Brethen <marbre@dhcp-159-66>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:58:56 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: CD/DVD-ROM Drive
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> I can't seem to be able to mount my internal CD/DVD-ROM. All I get is
> this:
>
> mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
> or too many mounted file systems
>
> I noticed others have posted a similar problem but I haven't come
> accross any
> solutions.
>
> The drive registers at boot up:
>
> hda: MATSHITA CR-585, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> ide0 at 0xd3a85000-0xd3a85007,0xd3a85160 on irq 13
> hda: Enabling MultiWord DMA 1
> hda: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, DMA
> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
> --
>
> Mark Brethen
> mbrethen@rochester.rr.com
> From: Ronald Hale-Evans <rwhe@ludism.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:57:08 PM America/Anchorage
> To: Yellow Dog Linux general list <yellowdog-
> general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: What's with the ISO?
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Bill Vinson is not the only one having problems with the ISO. I
> downloaded the Fuji 2.1 ISO this evening and loaded the disk image
> with the latest version of Apple Disk Copy (6.3?), but I couldn't get
> it to burn for sex or money. I have tried three separate download
> locations (yellowdoglinux.com, linuxberg.com, and ibiblio.org), and
> three different CD burning programs (Discribe 4.5, iTunes 1.1, and
> Toast 4.1.3 OEM). All of the programs gave me a message along the
> lines of "The file 'x11fs.image' could not be accessed. (Data fork,
> -36.)" Discribe said the file was missing or damaged. All three
> programs agreed the problem was with the file x11fs.image.
>
> And another thing: why is the disk image only 18 megs long? The 2.0
> image was almost 700 megs, as you would expect. Have compression
> techniques _really_ gotten that good in the past few months, or did
> somebody screw up somewhere?
>
> WTF?!,
>
> Ron H-E
>
> --
> Ron Hale-Evans ... rwhe@ludism.org & rwhe@apocalypse.org
> Center for Ludic Synergy, Seattle Cosmic Game Night,
> Kennexions Glass Bead Game & Positive Revolution FAQ:
> http://www.ludism.org/
> Home page & Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List:
> http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/
> == You meet the most interesting people when you're a solipsist. ==
> From: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 08:23:52 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: What's with the ISO?
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> At 8:57 PM -0800 11/2/01, Ronald Hale-Evans wrote:
>
> [snip tale of woe]
>
>> And another thing: why is the disk image only 18 megs long? The 2.0
>> image was almost 700 megs, as you would expect. Have compression
>> techniques _really_ gotten that good in the past few months, or did
>> somebody screw up somewhere?
>
> Clearly the image got truncated somewhere along the line. I wouldn't
> even bother trying to burn it if it's only 18 megs.
> -- Tim Seufert
> From: Ronald Hale-Evans <rwhe@ludism.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 08:54:12 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: What's with the ISO?
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:23:52PM -0800, Timothy A. Seufert wrote:
>> At 8:57 PM -0800 11/2/01, Ronald Hale-Evans wrote:
>>
>> [snip tale of woe]
>>
>>> And another thing: why is the disk image only 18 megs long? The 2.0
>>> image was almost 700 megs, as you would expect. Have compression
>>> techniques _really_ gotten that good in the past few months, or did
>>> somebody screw up somewhere?
>>
>> Clearly the image got truncated somewhere along the line. I wouldn't
>> even bother trying to burn it if it's only 18 megs.
>> --
>> Tim Seufert
>
> Well, I'm guessing that's the problem everyone else is having with it
> then...
>
> --
> Ron Hale-Evans ... rwhe@ludism.org & rwhe@apocalypse.org
> Center for Ludic Synergy, Seattle Cosmic Game Night,
> Kennexions Glass Bead Game & Positive Revolution FAQ:
> http://www.ludism.org/
> Home page & Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List:
> http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/
> == You meet the most interesting people when you're a solipsist. ==
> From: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:59:50 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
>
>
> Got another 64 mb chip for my 8500 as I was only at 64 to start...
> thought
> that was causing random lockups, nah that wasn't it... I have an
> 8500/604e
> 200mhz/128 mb ram/1 - 4.5 gb HD partitioned 1/2 to Mac HFS+ and the
> other
> 1/2 unallocated for YD 2.1. I have spent the entire evening watching the
> install bar traverse across the screen and then at odd times lock up,
> mouse
> will not move means lock up. Restart, re partiton, try to reinstall and
> same
> shit. I have one other alternative is try and shuffle ram to different
> locations and see if I can get around the freezes. If that doesn't work
> then
> screw YDL/Linux for this mac. I can't afford to play with my real work
> machines because they are used for my classroom administration. THis
> mac is
> a spare unit and has been rock solid system wisw with 81,8.5, 8.6 and
> 9.1 .
> Truthfully I have yet to meet one person that uses Linux of any sort
> as a
> desktop OS, most set up a server of some sort and walk away from
> it............
>
> DanC
>
>
>
> From: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 08:58:16 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Hi - Is the lock up truly occurring at random locations? I had
> something similar occur with an older distribution and it turned
> out to be a bad CD. However as I recall the system locked up
> about the same spot each time. If you are not already doing so,
> you might want to try a minimal install; if the problem is due
> to the CD, you might get lucky and miss the bad spot(s). If
> there is evidence that it is a bad CD, I am sure TSS would be
> willing to replace the CD.
>
>
> Jim
>
> Dan Calhoun's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>
>> Got another 64 mb chip for my 8500 as I was only at 64 to start...
>> thought
>> that was causing random lockups, nah that wasn't it... I have an
>> 8500/604e
>> 200mhz/128 mb ram/1 - 4.5 gb HD partitioned 1/2 to Mac HFS+ and the
>> other
>> 1/2 unallocated for YD 2.1. I have spent the entire evening watching
>> the
>> install bar traverse across the screen and then at odd times lock up,
>> mouse
>> will not move means lock up. Restart, re partiton, try to reinstall
>> and same
>> shit. I have one other alternative is try and shuffle ram to different
>> locations and see if I can get around the freezes. If that doesn't
>> work then
>> screw YDL/Linux for this mac. I can't afford to play with my real work
>> machines because they are used for my classroom administration. THis
>> mac is
>> a spare unit and has been rock solid system wisw with 81,8.5, 8.6 and
>> 9.1 .
>> Truthfully I have yet to meet one person that uses Linux of any sort
>> as a
>> desktop OS, most set up a server of some sort and walk away from
>> it............
>>
>> DanC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> From: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:17:10 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> It appears to lock on the larger files, wetex fonts, glibc 8500 have
> known
> to have ram issues, I pulled the 2-32 mb chips out leaving my new 64 in
> place, then I'm trying to install with the text base
> installer........and
> it's loading stuff again we've got the fingers crossed..........
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cole" <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
>
>
>> Hi - Is the lock up truly occurring at random locations? I had
>> something similar occur with an older distribution and it turned
>> out to be a bad CD. However as I recall the system locked up
>> about the same spot each time. If you are not already doing so,
>> you might want to try a minimal install; if the problem is due
>> to the CD, you might get lucky and miss the bad spot(s). If
>> there is evidence that it is a bad CD, I am sure TSS would be
>> willing to replace the CD.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Dan Calhoun's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>>
>>> Got another 64 mb chip for my 8500 as I was only at 64 to start...
> thought
>>> that was causing random lockups, nah that wasn't it... I have an
> 8500/604e
>>> 200mhz/128 mb ram/1 - 4.5 gb HD partitioned 1/2 to Mac HFS+ and the
>>> other
>>> 1/2 unallocated for YD 2.1. I have spent the entire evening watching
>>> the
>>> install bar traverse across the screen and then at odd times lock up,
> mouse
>>> will not move means lock up. Restart, re partiton, try to reinstall
>>> and
> same
>>> shit. I have one other alternative is try and shuffle ram to different
>>> locations and see if I can get around the freezes. If that doesn't
>>> work
> then
>>> screw YDL/Linux for this mac. I can't afford to play with my real work
>>> machines because they are used for my classroom administration. THis
>>> mac
> is
>>> a spare unit and has been rock solid system wisw with 81,8.5, 8.6 and
>>> 9.1
> .
>>> Truthfully I have yet to meet one person that uses Linux of any sort
>>> as a
>>> desktop OS, most set up a server of some sort and walk away from
>>> it............
>>>
>>> DanC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> From: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:17:59 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Dan sez:
>
>> Truthfully I have yet to meet one person that uses Linux of any sort
>> as a
>> desktop OS, most set up a server of some sort and walk away from
>> it............
>
> Pleased to meet ya, Dan. :)
>
> So here's some non-techie advice. I don't know too much about the way
> it's
> /supposed/ to be done, but I've gotten Linux running well on a lot of
> pretty arcane things (see below) so I figured i should try to help out.
> First off, it really sounds like you should try a different installation
> method. The very easiest thing would be to install the drive you want to
> use with YDL in one of your other machines, do the install, then stick
> it
> back in your 8500 and see if it still chokes. Remember, Linux will just
> be
> "borrowing" the CPU of your other system, so if you don't mistakenly
> mess
> with the other drives with pdisk or anything, the change should not
> affect
> the other machine at all (except for the brief downtime for the
> install).
>
> (If you run the text based installer I think you will be happier too.
> Just
> my 2 cents, here, but I am personally unimpressed with X-based
> installers
> and I don't see the need unless we really want to make sure we can't
> fit a
> rescue disk on a single floppy. Fine option, but option it should
> remain.
> Others are of course entitled to their opinions. At least partition the
> drive manually -- it's easier, better and more fun!)
>
> Speaking of partitioning, I would also /really/ try to avoid using a
> split
> disk, like you say you are. I don't really know if this makes
> theoretical
> sense, but in my experience, using a dual partitioned disk one seems to
> run into issues with the Mac driver, potential bad blocks that Linux
> can't
> tinker with, etc. You'd be better off backing up the Mac files, booting
> from a small (like, 150MB) Mac drive (formatted HFS, NOT HFS+, so you
> can
> get at it from Linux!) at a different SCSI ID (ideally 0, since that'll
> be
> the system default if you zap the PRAM or something else does), and
> going
> from there. I use this setup to boot my G3/300. Since I have onboard
> ATA,
> though, the only thing on the SCSI bus in my machine is the tiny 8 year
> old Mac boot drive (which then mounts as /macdrive in Linux, so I can
> mess
> with it), then the CD-ROM and the two 40GB ATA/66 drives sit exclusively
> in Linux, blissfully unaware that there is any such thing as the MacOS.
>
> This technique (such as it is) is not limited to ATA enabled machines,
> BTW; I use the same setup in my hacked Quadra 800 Debian machine except
> the Linux drive is a 1GB LaCie SCSI drive, and the boot drive is a
> Quantum
> 80meg (system specs available at http://steaky.dhs.org/quagga/). And my
> 486 Mandrake system boots from a 720K floppy into Linux on a 1.2GB drive
> that the system firmware is too old to see.
>
> Bottom line is that YDL is certainly not engineered to hang in the way
> you're describing, so either your hardware is screwed (bad RAM or bad L2
> cache or bad SCSI configuration) or your media is screwed or you've got
> bad power, which is not inconceivable either. I suspect, given the age
> of
> the machine and the fact that, in installing YDL you're dealing with a
> lot
> more raw data going across the busses than your daily Mac business
> requires, you're just bringing an existing hardware condition out into
> the
> open, and you might be able to run fine if you can get past the atypical
> stresses the installation process is creating. (BTW, if you're
> installing
> that second DIMM, pull the old one out for now. No way YDL needs 128
> megs
> on your system. Do give it a biggish swap partition though, 128 megs
> would
> work there).
>
> My other recommendation is to install the very smallest and most basic
> system you can select, to see if you can get the installer to finish and
> see if you can boot from the HD to Linux. You can just mount /dev/cdrom
> afterwards and add packages from the disk directly, once you know it
> works.
>
> Now, to address your other assertion: I /do/ run Linux as a server,
> probably on more different architectures than a lot of folks (Apple PPC,
> 486, Athlon, StrongARM, MIPS, and M68000 to date, soon hopefully to add
> RS/6000 PPC) and it's to die for (well, the Netwinder/ARM implementation
> of Red Hat 6.2 is pretty flaky) -- but I've also been using YDL as a
> "desktop OS" for going on two years, on two generations of machines,
> with
> no hassles except those caused by my ignorance (and one little nagging
> ethernet problem that nobody seems to want to help me with.) It's caused
> me probably a total of two nights serious downtime, and that because I
> didn't initially know what I was doing, and happened to have a bad
> Adaptec
> card.
>
> If you mean to question how many people are using X/KDE as a production
> GUI, well, I don't do that very much, simply because for what I do I
> need
> a Mac, running Adobe software. I /have/ edited images, made web sites,
> written documents, set up spreadsheets, printed all sorts of files,
> viewed
> PDFs, downloaded and listened to MP3s, all on X on PPC Linux, mostly
> YDL,
> but I don't use X on a daily basis except to check email, manage
> servers,
> etc. -- I can, however, attest to its all-round competence provided one
> knows what one is dealing with (and I know of at least one presidential
> campaign whose anti-corporate platform required that the campaign ran
> entirely on linux). There's nothing per se but the need for compliance
> with monopoly market conditions keeping me with the MacOS. (Well, that
> and
> the fact that Adobe writes fine code that I really enjoy working with.)
>
> As far as your installation goes, try the suggestions above, I'm pretty
> sure they'll work for you.
>
> - Nathan
>
> PS -- Since it seems to be bitch week here on YDL-General, my experience
> so far with OSX is that it's preserved much of the things I /didn't/
> like
> about the MacOS (in particular, the growing tendency toward
> counterintuitive management metaphors, byzantine interfaces, panes, and
> cycles wasted on glowing thingies), removed many of the things I did (a
> simple and unified interface with close to zero wait time), it's the
> slowest Unix GUI I've used (like, the beta I tested on my G4/450 took
> almost 30 seconds to give me a terminal -- compare that to 040
> NeXTStep),
> it doesn't like most of my hardware and seems designed (no surprise) to
> make people purchase new equipment (I don't even run YDL on an open
> firmware Mac, see, and it's perfectly happy) -- in short, I've not been
> terribly impressed.
>
> 10.1 looks better, but I can't afford it right now, can't afford another
> drive to put it on, will /not/ run my software in that dreadful
> 'Classic'
> debacle (makes me feel like i'm running shapeshifter on the amiga, just
> needs a flicker fixer) so can't afford the OSX native versions I'd need
> to
> do real work, and also can't afford to screw up the OS9 fraction of my
> G4
> or Lombard again like OSX did last time. So for now it's 9 and Linux
> (and
> a little Win2k when the customers bring me publisher files) and I'm a
> very
> happy camper.
>
> Except for that little Ethernet problem. :)
>
> N.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:28:39 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> It stuck again, screw that, I'm outta here with YDL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
>
>
>> It appears to lock on the larger files, wetex fonts, glibc 8500 have
>> known
>> to have ram issues, I pulled the 2-32 mb chips out leaving my new 64 in
>> place, then I'm trying to install with the text base
>> installer........and
>> it's loading stuff again we've got the fingers crossed..........
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Cole" <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
>> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
>>
>>
>>> Hi - Is the lock up truly occurring at random locations? I had
>>> something similar occur with an older distribution and it turned
>>> out to be a bad CD. However as I recall the system locked up
>>> about the same spot each time. If you are not already doing so,
>>> you might want to try a minimal install; if the problem is due
>>> to the CD, you might get lucky and miss the bad spot(s). If
>>> there is evidence that it is a bad CD, I am sure TSS would be
>>> willing to replace the CD.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Dan Calhoun's bits of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 translated to:
>>>
>>>> Got another 64 mb chip for my 8500 as I was only at 64 to start...
>> thought
>>>> that was causing random lockups, nah that wasn't it... I have an
>> 8500/604e
>>>> 200mhz/128 mb ram/1 - 4.5 gb HD partitioned 1/2 to Mac HFS+ and the
> other
>>>> 1/2 unallocated for YD 2.1. I have spent the entire evening watching
> the
>>>> install bar traverse across the screen and then at odd times lock up,
>> mouse
>>>> will not move means lock up. Restart, re partiton, try to reinstall
>>>> and
>> same
>>>> shit. I have one other alternative is try and shuffle ram to
>>>> different
>>>> locations and see if I can get around the freezes. If that doesn't
>>>> work
>> then
>>>> screw YDL/Linux for this mac. I can't afford to play with my real
>>>> work
>>>> machines because they are used for my classroom administration. THis
> mac
>> is
>>>> a spare unit and has been rock solid system wisw with 81,8.5, 8.6 and
> 9.1
>> .
>>>> Truthfully I have yet to meet one person that uses Linux of any sort
>>>> as
> a
>>>> desktop OS, most set up a server of some sort and walk away from
>>>> it............
>>>>
>>>> DanC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> From: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:31:23 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Is it actually locked or did the mouse freeze?
>
> Remember the mouse is /not/ coded nearly as deeply in Linux as it is on
> the Mac, and a mouse freeze is /not/ a dead kernel by any means.
>
> Can you get a console (Command+function key < F6 , maybe
> Command-Shift-Fkey in the installer) ?
>
> - Nathan
>
> From: "Dan Calhoun" <dcalhoun15@home.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:42:54 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Locked, Frozen mouse, keyboard, this was brand new ram (today), This
> unit is
> using an ATX, PC and Power Cooling 300 watt PS. I have this unit on Mike
> Breedens website, xlr8yourmac.com 8500 in an atx case......
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't get YD 2.1 to install
>
>
>> Is it actually locked or did the mouse freeze?
>>
>> Remember the mouse is /not/ coded nearly as deeply in Linux as it is on
>> the Mac, and a mouse freeze is /not/ a dead kernel by any means.
>>
>> Can you get a console (Command+function key < F6 , maybe
>> Command-Shift-Fkey in the installer) ?
>>
>> - Nathan
>>
>>
>
> From: Greg van der Gaast <frame17@mac.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:19:29 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: wallstreet/lombard question
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> This may seem a little OT but I was wondering whether the pbook G3 with
> the 'bronze' semi translucent keys was the Lombard or Wallstreet
> Edition.
>
> Also, I was hoping someone could direct me to a reliable place to
> purchase some memory for a 333MHz `99 PBook. I am being told by every
> computer store I've been to so far that it isn't available AT ALL in
> the state of Nebraska.
>
> Thanks!
>
> From: "Nathan A. McQuillen" <nm@steaky.dhs.org>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:28:25 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: wallstreet/lombard question
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> That would be a Lombard. Got one myself (400).
>
> And I just got cheap good RAM from The Chip Merchant -- to avoid the
> possibility that this hits anybody's electronic or wetware spam filter,
> no
> urls or prices, but google will find it quick for ya, they've got an
> "Apple Store" button, you can find it all there. They ship next day if
> you
> like. Only caveat is if they're out of stock on something the web cart
> won't tell you, so call once you've placed the order and confirm. The
> PBG3
> kits also come with a screwdriver (ooh boy.)
>
> - Nathan
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Greg van der Gaast wrote:
>
>> This may seem a little OT but I was wondering whether the pbook G3 with
>> the 'bronze' semi translucent keys was the Lombard or Wallstreet
>> Edition.
>>
>> Also, I was hoping someone could direct me to a reliable place to
>> purchase some memory for a 333MHz `99 PBook. I am being told by every
>> computer store I've been to so far that it isn't available AT ALL in
>> the
>> state of Nebraska.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
> From: Jim Cole <greyleaf@yggdrasill.net>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:47:05 PM America/Anchorage
> To: <yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com>
> Subject: Re: wallstreet/lombard question
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> Greg van der Gaast's bits of Sat, 3 Nov 2001 translated to:
>
>> This may seem a little OT but I was wondering whether the pbook G3 with
>> the 'bronze' semi translucent keys was the Lombard or Wallstreet
>> Edition.
>
> It is the Lombard.
>
>> Also, I was hoping someone could direct me to a reliable place to
>> purchase some memory for a 333MHz `99 PBook. I am being told by every
>
> I normally buy from Crucial (http://www.crucial.com/). However
> when I last upgraded my Lombard (same model as yours) I found
> that, at least at that time, Crucial stocked only 64 MB SODIMM's.
> I needed a 128 MB and a 256 MB. I ended up purchasing the RAM
> from ClubMac (www.clubmac.com). That was a couple months ago and
> I have had no problems since installing the RAM.
>
>
> Jim
>
> From: dano <dano@well.com>
> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 11:03:12 PM America/Anchorage
> To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
> Subject: Re: wallstreet/lombard question
> Reply-To: yellowdog-general@lists.yellowdoglinux.com
>
> At 11:47 PM -0700 on 11/2/01, Jim Cole wrote:
>> >Also, I was hoping someone could direct me to a reliable place to
>>> purchase some memory for a 333MHz `99 PBook. I am being told by every
>>
>> I normally buy from Crucial (http://www.crucial.com/). However
>> when I last upgraded my Lombard (same model as yours) I found
>> that, at least at that time, Crucial stocked only 64 MB SODIMM's.
>> I needed a 128 MB and a 256 MB. I ended up purchasing the RAM
>> from ClubMac (www.clubmac.com). That was a couple months ago and
>> I have had no problems since installing the RAM.
>
> Both recommendations are good. There are other good places also. The
> best place to check RAM prices in general is
> <http://www.ramseeker.com/>. They don't sell it, they just list the
> current prices from nearly all the major resellers and manufacturers
> that also retail.
> (Including the aforementioned Crucial and Chip Merchant, as well as my
> current favorite DMS.)
>
> (the other) Dan
> -- Sure the pen is mightier than the sword, but only because you can get
> it through metal detectors. -Mike Hayward
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> Date: Fri Nov 02, 2001 09:37:24 PM America/Anchorage
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