Subject: Re: Routing Question
From: Dave Braford (braford@hanon-mckendry.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 2001 - 10:50:33 MDT
Good commentary Bryn.
Excellent pricing. Not so here in the us.
How are you getting better throughput that
a 1.5Mb T1 line with ADSL? You know it one or
the other. UP or DOWN but not concurrently.
Oh..and you are not allowed to have servers
on cable in the US. Really curious about
that 2.5 Mbps downstream and 512kbps upstream
ADSL speed. Sounds like SDSL (in the US) to me.
Pricing can vary, but generally 192k up and 128k down for $45
monthly is typical here. Full 1.5MB cable is about the same.
Message in response to:
>ADSL here is 2.5 Mbps downstream and 512kbps upstream. My cable modem here
>gets on average 3.0 Mbps downstream and 450kbps upstream. ADSL here does
>NOT use PPPoE. I should mention that both of these connections go for about
>$35 Canadian a month. (check out http://www.shaw.ca and
>http://www.telus.net if you don't believe me)
>
>Not everyone has the exact same DSL setup as may be available in your area.
>
>Now, as to reliability... When we originally went with ADSL everyone who was
>on cable was having outages several times a week, poor performance, etc. At
>the time we were also getting on average 3.2 Mbps on our ADSL line. We had
>pretty good reliability overall, except for one time when we were down for a
>month due to problems at the CO. That wasn't very pleasant. Now we're on
>cable... I still here of people having a lot of outages but they're almost
>entirely related to the @home mail servers/proxy servers/etc. none of which
>I use (that's the whole point of my linux server). I'd get slightly faster
>upstream with DSL and slightly faster downstream if I stick with my cable
>line.
>
>The long and the short of it is it totally depends where you are, who your
>provider is and what you're planning on doing with your connection. If I
>didn't run my own mail server I wouldn't touch cable just yet. In my area
>my cable provider has just started setting up their own mail servers which
>has taken care of the mail reliability though.
>
>on 10/25/01 6:57 AM, Dave Braford at braford@hanon-mckendry.com wrote:
>
>> You disagree Bacil ?
>> Just trying to see if I could save Barry some money.
>> What I meant to say was I had no personal experience
>> setting up PPoe on a Linux box. OH, I know about DSL.....
>>
>> I made some assumptions....
>>
>> "I just found out DSL is available in my area." says Barry.
>> SDSL, ADSL, or IDSL. My guess is ADSL.
>>
>> DSL is NOT much faster than cable in any world. It depends on
>> what bandwidth you purchase. You can MAYBE get 192k for the same price
>> as cable and remember, Barry is most likely in a residential area.
>> Are you Barry ?
>> OH...that's a whopping 25k download limited to 14k upload.
>> Bacil ????? What's wrong with my calculator ????
>>
>> I assume ADSL almost exclusively uses PPoe and most providers give you a
>> device similar to a modem, not a router. That's where PPoe comes in.
>> Boy I'd be great if Barry's provider gave him asn ADSL router to use.....
>> Good point Bacil. I think you can get the Flowpoint routers on eBay cheap.
>>
>> Segway to next paragraph.....
>>
>> BTW - Regarding your first point:
>> DSL not only sucks, the industry is shrinking like mad BECAUSE OF IT.
>> What I've read and experienced attest to poor support,
>> ignorant implementation in the CO's, and just plain poor circuit
>> quality. Not to mention Ameritech's lack of cooperation.
>> I don't have beat myself in the head with a hammer to
>> know it's gonna hurt, do I ? I have friends and colleges I can learn
>> (what not to do) from.
>> There is a reason I have no personal experience with DSL, it sucks.
>>
>> Now SDSL....that's a whole different story. But I would bet Barry
>> would not want to pay the premium price for that service. If he's close
>> enough to the CO to qualify. Cable is MUCH faster, dollar for dollar.
>>
>> You know, I'll bet Barry knows all of the above info since he
>> us obviously capable of some fairly advanced routing already.......
>> Barry asked for HELPFUL hints, Bacil.
>
Dave Braford
IT Manager
Hanon McKendry Advertising
(616) 776-1111 x23
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