Subject: Re: Will we be able to update to YDL 2 ????
From: Iain Stevenson (iain@IainStevenson.com)
Date: Mon Jun 04 2001 - 02:26:02 MDT
I think the serious points here are:
- Linux isn't as easy to upgrade as MacOS was (I haven't got OS X)
- many YDL users (like me) don't have the luxury of a second machine
Mac users assume that any upgrade can be got working in less than a day. If
this is your only experience of operating systems then it is likely you'll
have the expectation that an upgrade is no big deal. Linux is not like
this.
I got burnt by the previous upgrade of YDL so I decided that this time round
I'd upgrade incrementally. This weekend I upgraded several components of my
system (compilers, libraries, KDE) from the 2.0 CDs and it's still working
today! My experience was:
- I had to rebuild a couple of packages because they are configured
differently from the YDL distro
- I couldn't get the XFree86 on the CD to work (a driver problem) so went
back to the RPMs Hollis posted
- kpresenter does not work although other koffice packages do - maybe I need
to rebuild this too.
I don't think it's constructive to flame YDL about the 2.0 release - IMHO
it's better to report the problems and let them work to fix them. Of
course, if there is a major problem then they'll need to take appropriate
action.
Iain
on 4/6/01 6:04 am, Waldo Jaquith at waldo@waldo.net wrote:
> On 03 Jun 2001, Dan Burcaw <dburcaw@terraplex.com> wrote:
>> On 03 Jun 2001, Waldo Jaquith <waldo@waldo.net> wrote:
>>> I'm confused. Are you telling me that I just spent $40 on YDL 2.0 and
>>> I have to wipe my drive to install it? I'm running a server here; I
>>> can't just erase my hard drive. I will be very, very disappointed in
>>> Terra Soft if there is no 1.2.1 -> 2.0 upgrade path. Please explain.
>>
>> Yes, there is no upgrade path. Right now. This doesn't mean that there
>> won't be one, it is just something we haven't tried nor documented yet.
>> Due to the complexity of changes from 1.2.1 -> 2.0, a simple "yup update"
>> (with yup pointing to the CD-ROM rather then an internet mirror) might
>> not be enough. Some things might need to be manually updated. An example
>> that comes to mind is the obsoleting of 'inetd' in favor of 'xinetd'.
>>
>> 1.2.x -> 2.x is from a technical standpoint is upgradeable, but
>> limitations in yup, and the degree to which things have changed may make
>> it challenging for us to automate.
>>
>> I understand your frustration, but I also understand that we couldn't test
>> everything for the 2.0 release. This has been a pretty difficult process
>> for us, and we haven't had anything to sell for many months, so obviously
>> there is a time concern there too. We don't want to go the ways of
>> the Dot Coms as that would mean you won't ever have an upgrade path in the
>> future.
>>
>> Having said that, as I mentioned previous, one of the things we're going
>> to be doing in the comes days and weeks is post lots of guides on
>> doings things with YDL 2.0. Along with this, we're going to try to come
>> up with a very simple upgrade path for 1.2.1 -> 2.0.
>>
>> Let me know if this helps clarify..
>
> Yes, it clarifies things quite a bit. And now I'm upset -- you should have
> plainly disclosed on the website that upgrading is currently not possible.
> Now I have 3 worthless discs. I'll have to go out and buy v2.0.1 in a few
> weeks, when you release an upgradeable version, which will run me yet
> another $40.
>
> I understand that v2 has been a difficult process, and you wanted to get it
> out the door as soon as you felt that it was ready. But when a simple thing
> like upgrading is not possible, I believe that you're obliged to notify
> people at the time of their purchase.
>
> I bought v1.0 from you as soon as it was released, and I thought I was being
> a good YDL user by also paying for v2.0, as opposed to waiting a few weeks
> and downloading it. Turned out I was just being duped. Silly me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Waldo
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